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	<title>Comments on: Extreme Hardcore Guild Wins Wrath, Jumps the Shark</title>
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		<title>By: Remember, Remember the 25th of November &#171; Apathy Inc.</title>
		<link>http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/11/18/extreme-hardcore-guild-wins-wrath-jumps-the-shark/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Remember, Remember the 25th of November &#171; Apathy Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who have never heard of them period. There was a period when I wouldn&#8217;t have cared, but now, as Altitis so succinctly stated, I should think it better if people never heard from them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who have never heard of them period. There was a period when I wouldn&#8217;t have cared, but now, as Altitis so succinctly stated, I should think it better if people never heard from them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Azande</title>
		<link>http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/11/18/extreme-hardcore-guild-wins-wrath-jumps-the-shark/#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>Azande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Tesh, if you look at Blizzard subscription model, it is geared to make the most money to them, and I believe it is the casual players that pay the subscription every month and play only a few hours a week that are the &quot;cash cows&quot;, because of the lesser loads on servers and so on. 

If you want a comparison is a bit like the &quot;all you can eat&quot; buffets in restaurants, they are cheap but still priced to make a decent amount of money off the regular punter who eats there, while the loss sustained due to the few that eat for two people is covered by the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Tesh, if you look at Blizzard subscription model, it is geared to make the most money to them, and I believe it is the casual players that pay the subscription every month and play only a few hours a week that are the &#8220;cash cows&#8221;, because of the lesser loads on servers and so on. </p>
<p>If you want a comparison is a bit like the &#8220;all you can eat&#8221; buffets in restaurants, they are cheap but still priced to make a decent amount of money off the regular punter who eats there, while the loss sustained due to the few that eat for two people is covered by the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even so, the subscription model and Blizzard&#039;s design focus are built around hardcore gamers.  These guys are the epitome of what Blizzard has been aiming for.

I&#039;ve seen some hope that the game play of Wrath is designed more for the &quot;unwashed hordes&quot;, and that gives me hope.  Now, if the business model would adapt to match (charge per hour played, with a cap, or use the Guild Wars model), I&#039;d be much more impressed with WoW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even so, the subscription model and Blizzard&#8217;s design focus are built around hardcore gamers.  These guys are the epitome of what Blizzard has been aiming for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some hope that the game play of Wrath is designed more for the &#8220;unwashed hordes&#8221;, and that gives me hope.  Now, if the business model would adapt to match (charge per hour played, with a cap, or use the Guild Wars model), I&#8217;d be much more impressed with WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Spot in the Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Spot in the Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly put. I totally agree.

A game is meant to be played and enjoyed. To push yourself into a grind or strain your personal boundaries is your own business. But you should mind your perspective when issuing such statements. Like 25th Nov did not. ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly put. I totally agree.</p>
<p>A game is meant to be played and enjoyed. To push yourself into a grind or strain your personal boundaries is your own business. But you should mind your perspective when issuing such statements. Like 25th Nov did not. ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Karthis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m what some consider a hardcore raider, and I just have to shake my head at Twentyfithnovember.  

Personally I&#039;m 50% of the way through level 72, with a target raid date of Dec 14th.... and even that seems a bit rushed for my tastes - but it&#039;s what guild leadership decided.

I have no doubt that it will take us a few months to clear the content, and that we&#039;ll have an absolute blast while doing so.  

It&#039;s sad to see &quot;pro gamers&quot; trying to manipulate the designers into making crap that only appeals to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m what some consider a hardcore raider, and I just have to shake my head at Twentyfithnovember.  </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m 50% of the way through level 72, with a target raid date of Dec 14th&#8230;. and even that seems a bit rushed for my tastes &#8211; but it&#8217;s what guild leadership decided.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that it will take us a few months to clear the content, and that we&#8217;ll have an absolute blast while doing so.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to see &#8220;pro gamers&#8221; trying to manipulate the designers into making crap that only appeals to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: TwentyFifthNovember irrelevant &#171; Paused state</title>
		<link>http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/11/18/extreme-hardcore-guild-wins-wrath-jumps-the-shark/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>TwentyFifthNovember irrelevant &#171; Paused state</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Gwaendar has a post on the news that WOTLK content has been cleared after only two days by the new merged SK/Nihilum. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Mackrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Mackrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more, when I saw this I thought: &quot;Why oh why? How sad!&quot; I think 25Nov have really lost the plot here. Proud? Achievement? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more, when I saw this I thought: &#8220;Why oh why? How sad!&#8221; I think 25Nov have really lost the plot here. Proud? Achievement? I think not.</p>
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