Comments on: MUD’s Heritage to MMOs, a Short Sample http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/ Seeking Better Worlds Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Muckbeast http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1473 Muckbeast Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:33:49 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1473 Hahaha. I didn't confuse the countries, I just honestly though I remembered reading you were from Sweden. I think the MUD thing added to that. *TONS* of MUDders came from Sweden, though I don't recall meeting any from Switzerland back in my MUD days. But seriously... are you at all interested in doing some game programming on the side? Please email me back! :) Hahaha. I didn’t confuse the countries, I just honestly though I remembered reading you were from Sweden. I think the MUD thing added to that. *TONS* of MUDders came from Sweden, though I don’t recall meeting any from Switzerland back in my MUD days.

But seriously… are you at all interested in doing some game programming on the side? Please email me back! :)

]]> By: Gwaendar http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1472 Gwaendar Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:22:09 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1472 <i>and Primordiax is written in PIKE (maybe you’ve heard of it</i> Nope, this kind of stuff has been off my radar for a while. <i>since you’re there in Sweden</i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Language/2006_November_13#On_confusing_countries" rel="nofollow">Sob</a> :) and Primordiax is written in PIKE (maybe you’ve heard of it

Nope, this kind of stuff has been off my radar for a while.

since you’re there in Sweden
Sob :)

]]> By: Muckbeast http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1471 Muckbeast Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:06:42 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1471 Lima? Awesome. Threshold is written in LPC, and Primordiax is written in PIKE (maybe you've heard of it since you're there in Sweden) which is very LPC-like. If you aren't looking for work, maybe you're looking for fun side projects with in-game rewards as payment? Seriously! :) -Cambios Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds: http://www.muckbeast.com Lima? Awesome. Threshold is written in LPC, and Primordiax is written in PIKE (maybe you’ve heard of it since you’re there in Sweden) which is very LPC-like.

If you aren’t looking for work, maybe you’re looking for fun side projects with in-game rewards as payment?

Seriously! :)

-Cambios
Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds:
http://www.muckbeast.com

]]> By: Gwaendar http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1467 Gwaendar Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:43:18 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1467 @Cambios <i>If you do not object (...)</i> It's not my idea in the first place :) <i>Are you looking for programming work?</i> Dear god, I don't have what it takes for that by a long shot. No, thanks. As all people who can't actually do stuff, I teach :) <i>Also, what mud(s) did you program on and play?</i> Most of the code I've written was for Uossmud and Solestria, both on the lima mudlib. As for playing, I don't play text muds any more, WoW eats up all gaming time I have. @Twanni <i>It’s often used, but one aspect tends to be ignored. The “lifespan” of most movies is a few months. In the case of trilogies and other series its entire lifespan ends at about 3-4 years. Your typical good running MMO can go for 10 years.</i> You're absolutely correct. As usual, comparisons take you only so far, though a big movie flop can also influence money investment in an entire genre for several years, so it's not entirely that different. Still, as long as we're talking successful ventures, any comparison to the film industry would assume a time-stretched version of things. Anyway, it's just a comparison, and has its limitations, as you pointed out. <i>Imagine how much consideration is done before a gossip feature gets added to WOW’s barkeepers.</i> Exactly. In MUDs, you could just go ahead and do it, and if it didn't work out, you removed the feature. No financial risk involved, nor potential CR issues to explain and position, and usually no long design committees to hold about it. That's a big part why MUDs as a family have such a vast feature set. @Cambios
If you do not object (…)
It’s not my idea in the first place :)

Are you looking for programming work?

Dear god, I don’t have what it takes for that by a long shot. No, thanks. As all people who can’t actually do stuff, I teach :)

Also, what mud(s) did you program on and play?

Most of the code I’ve written was for Uossmud and Solestria, both on the lima mudlib. As for playing, I don’t play text muds any more, WoW eats up all gaming time I have.

@Twanni
It’s often used, but one aspect tends to be ignored. The “lifespan” of most movies is a few months. In the case of trilogies and other series its entire lifespan ends at about 3-4 years.
Your typical good running MMO can go for 10 years.

You’re absolutely correct. As usual, comparisons take you only so far, though a big movie flop can also influence money investment in an entire genre for several years, so it’s not entirely that different. Still, as long as we’re talking successful ventures, any comparison to the film industry would assume a time-stretched version of things.

Anyway, it’s just a comparison, and has its limitations, as you pointed out.

Imagine how much consideration is done before a gossip feature gets added to WOW’s barkeepers.

Exactly. In MUDs, you could just go ahead and do it, and if it didn’t work out, you removed the feature. No financial risk involved, nor potential CR issues to explain and position, and usually no long design committees to hold about it. That’s a big part why MUDs as a family have such a vast feature set.

]]> By: Twanni http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1465 Twanni Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:17:36 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1465 Very good read. One thing about the comparison to the Movie Industry though. It's often used, but one aspect tends to be ignored. The "lifespan" of most movies is a few months. In the case of trilogies and other series its entire lifespan ends at about 3-4 years. Your typical good running MMO can go for 10 years. And while EQ/UO are definitely on the decline, their influence right now is way more than last year's summer blockbuster. What I guess I'm trying to say is that a successful MMO casts a much longer shadow than a successful movie does, budgets and especially revenues are much larger too. Imagine how much consideration is done before a gossip feature gets added to WOW's barkeepers. Very good read.
One thing about the comparison to the Movie Industry though. It’s often used, but one aspect tends to be ignored. The “lifespan” of most movies is a few months. In the case of trilogies and other series its entire lifespan ends at about 3-4 years.
Your typical good running MMO can go for 10 years.
And while EQ/UO are definitely on the decline, their influence right now is way more than last year’s summer blockbuster.
What I guess I’m trying to say is that a successful MMO casts a much longer shadow than a successful movie does, budgets and especially revenues are much larger too. Imagine how much consideration is done before a gossip feature gets added to WOW’s barkeepers.

]]> By: Muckbeast http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/09/04/muds-heritage-to-mmos-a-short-sample/#comment-1462 Muckbeast Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:05:58 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/?p=451#comment-1462 <blockquote> I added some code which basically let innkeepers pick up /say conversations, sample those, and later give these back as gossip “I heard player X say such and such”. Which actually led to some hilarious side-effects akin to what you get nowadays when you say something in the wrong chat channel. </blockquote> That is an absolutely brilliant feature. If you do not object, I am going to code that into a serving wench on Threshold. That could be potentially hilarious. That sounded awesome. Man, what are you doing now? Are you looking for programming work? :) Also, what mud(s) did you program on and play? -Cambios Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds: http://www.muckbeast.com

I added some code which basically let innkeepers pick up /say conversations, sample those, and later give these back as gossip “I heard player X say such and such”. Which actually led to some hilarious side-effects akin to what you get nowadays when you say something in the wrong chat channel.

That is an absolutely brilliant feature. If you do not object, I am going to code that into a serving wench on Threshold. That could be potentially hilarious.

That sounded awesome. Man, what are you doing now? Are you looking for programming work? :)

Also, what mud(s) did you program on and play?

-Cambios
Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds:
http://www.muckbeast.com

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