Comments on: How to Improve level 70 Horde PvP http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/ If One Toon Just Isn't Enough, You Can Always Roll Another 49 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:18:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: What Is So Hard About BG Strategy? | Kestrel’s Aerie http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-826 What Is So Hard About BG Strategy? | Kestrel’s Aerie Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:42:43 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-826 [...] a great tip I got from Gwaendar at Altitis another blogger (and forgot to tag the article, so if you recognize this, let me know so I can give [...] [...] a great tip I got from Gwaendar at Altitis another blogger (and forgot to tag the article, so if you recognize this, let me know so I can give [...]

]]> By: Baila http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-752 Baila Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:50:53 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-752 It is so very swEEt when people do that team thing. Unfortunately, these days seems like most folk think insulting = leadership, so annoying. What a great macro and 'do it yourself' reminder" - thanks! Cause doing something about it > pitchin a fit. I use to play alot of AB, still my favorite. When I start pvp again I know that's where I'll head to sharpen up. (wsg doesn't do it for me, not sure why.) It occured to me while reading your post that in terms of poor quality pvp aren't a lot of the hardcore pvpers spending most of their time in the Arenas? I know that's what I'd be doing, It is so very swEEt when people do that team thing. Unfortunately, these days seems like most folk think insulting = leadership, so annoying. What a great macro and ‘do it yourself’ reminder” - thanks! Cause doing something about it > pitchin a fit.

I use to play alot of AB, still my favorite. When I start pvp again I know that’s where I’ll head to sharpen up. (wsg doesn’t do it for me, not sure why.)

It occured to me while reading your post that in terms of poor quality pvp aren’t a lot of the hardcore pvpers spending most of their time in the Arenas? I know that’s what I’d be doing,

]]> By: Kestrel http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-749 Kestrel Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:38:51 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-749 Heh...very timely article, Gwaendar! I did my very first BGs last night (I have 4 70s!), and had a blast, even though results were mixed. Love your macro, and even though I'm a BG n00b, I'm more than willing to shout it out before the gate opens. Zahrah makes some good points too. Now that I understand a little bit about what is going on, the BG raid chat just might make a little more sense to me. Heh…very timely article, Gwaendar! I did my very first BGs last night (I have 4 70s!), and had a blast, even though results were mixed. Love your macro, and even though I’m a BG n00b, I’m more than willing to shout it out before the gate opens.

Zahrah makes some good points too. Now that I understand a little bit about what is going on, the BG raid chat just might make a little more sense to me.

]]> By: Joel’s Scattered Thoughts » Blog Archive » Winning at Battleground PVP http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-744 Joel’s Scattered Thoughts » Blog Archive » Winning at Battleground PVP Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:01:42 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-744 [...] Losing AB is no fatality | Altitis I wrote a simple macro which I would use 15 seconds before the game start unless someone else was taking charge. The instructions? Simple. [...] [...] Losing AB is no fatality | Altitis I wrote a simple macro which I would use 15 seconds before the game start unless someone else was taking charge. The instructions? Simple. [...]

]]> By: Zahrah http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-743 Zahrah Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:49:13 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-743 I agree with you that someone stepping up - and leading can make a huge difference. But the catch is to start the motivation as early as possible. Appearing in a BG that a premade from your own side ran scared from as the gates open, though with no time to buff/organise puts you behind the 8 ball at once. Or counting your Afkers.. ( yeah for changes to come!) Our Trade channel premade pugs which are very popular on our server at the moment, the ones who work - work because they have one voice to listen to. What I find though is that because there is no group cohesion in normal pug Bg - One person steps up - and then someone pips up and says something differnt. And then the QQing starts. "Alliance sucks in Bgs.." And its usually the people who do the least. Motivation and Moral has a huge part to play - and Id rather a good game then a easy win or a loss. Maybe I should start saying stuff like - I agree to follow you.. if a 'leader' appears encourage the rest to do so to. I agree with you that someone stepping up - and leading can make a huge difference. But the catch is to start the motivation as early as possible. Appearing in a BG that a premade from your own side ran scared from as the gates open, though with no time to buff/organise puts you behind the 8 ball at once. Or counting your Afkers.. ( yeah for changes to come!) Our Trade channel premade pugs which are very popular on our server at the moment, the ones who work - work because they have one voice to listen to. What I find though is that because there is no group cohesion in normal pug Bg - One person steps up - and then someone pips up and says something differnt. And then the QQing starts. “Alliance sucks in Bgs..” And its usually the people who do the least. Motivation and Moral has a huge part to play - and Id rather a good game then a easy win or a loss. Maybe I should start saying stuff like - I agree to follow you.. if a ‘leader’ appears encourage the rest to do so to.

]]> By: NoName http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-740 NoName Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:47:11 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-740 It’s also the key to winning Alterac Valley for both sides. I’ve played Horde and Alliance at level 70 and communication is more critical to winning than any map imbalances or other issues. This is true in all of the BGs. It takes a bit more effort early on to shout down the idiots who say “we always lose” or “we tried that and lost last game” or some such babble, but if you can get people on board with “listen to me and we will win” then you will win. Or vice versa, if someone is taking charge – LISTEN TO THEM. The truth is that if you aren’t facing a premade then simply following a single strategy (EVEN A BAD STRATEGY) will more often lead to success. This is simply based on the fact that everyone is doing the same thing. In other words, if you see someone trying to take charge in a BG, lend a voice and help them take charge. It’s less important that it’s the perfect strategy and more important that everyone is working together as a cohesive group. Oh – and lending that voice of support is almost as important as being the one to shout out the strategy. Do this, and you’ll find that you start winning more often than you lose in all the BGs. It’s also the key to winning Alterac Valley for both sides. I’ve played Horde and Alliance at level 70 and communication is more critical to winning than any map imbalances or other issues. This is true in all of the BGs. It takes a bit more effort early on to shout down the idiots who say “we always lose” or “we tried that and lost last game” or some such babble, but if you can get people on board with “listen to me and we will win” then you will win. Or vice versa, if someone is taking charge – LISTEN TO THEM.

The truth is that if you aren’t facing a premade then simply following a single strategy (EVEN A BAD STRATEGY) will more often lead to success. This is simply based on the fact that everyone is doing the same thing. In other words, if you see someone trying to take charge in a BG, lend a voice and help them take charge. It’s less important that it’s the perfect strategy and more important that everyone is working together as a cohesive group. Oh – and lending that voice of support is almost as important as being the one to shout out the strategy. Do this, and you’ll find that you start winning more often than you lose in all the BGs.

]]> By: Solidstate http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-739 Solidstate Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:54:28 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/02/04/take-charge-in-bg-and-make-a-difference/#comment-739 Funny in my battlegroup it is the Horde that win *every single f###ing* BG - EOTS, AB and WSG. The only exception is AV where even playing their usual moronic game the alliance somehow manage to (barely) win for some reason - usually. It's gotten so bad that if the daily pvp quest isn't to win AV I just give up on it since I know 10 BGs later I'll still be losing. The problem? Well let me put it this way. The toons I PvP with are a noob hunter (only 3 parts of S1 gear so far) and a noob priest I recently started to PvP with (0 res, almost 7k life lol, no pvp gear yet). My hunter routinely gets the most damage done in EOTS/AB/WSG or in the first 3 places, at least for alliance side. My priest routinely gets the most healing done or in first 3 places. I have the screen-shots to prove this. * My gear? Sucks, nothing against a full S1 char, never mind S2/3. Check out Supersolid and Solidfaith on EU/Thunderhorn if you don't believe me. * Connection? I play with 400ms all the time. * Uber PvP player? Give me a break I suck at duels, any possible class can kill my chars. The conclusion? Other alliance are simply *not trying at all*. Well maybe they try to farm HKs but that is it, no attempt at anything like winning :( Funny in my battlegroup it is the Horde that win *every single f###ing* BG - EOTS, AB and WSG. The only exception is AV where even playing their usual moronic game the alliance somehow manage to (barely) win for some reason - usually.

It’s gotten so bad that if the daily pvp quest isn’t to win AV I just give up on it since I know 10 BGs later I’ll still be losing.

The problem? Well let me put it this way.
The toons I PvP with are a noob hunter (only 3 parts of S1 gear so far) and a noob priest I recently started to PvP with (0 res, almost 7k life lol, no pvp gear yet).
My hunter routinely gets the most damage done in EOTS/AB/WSG or in the first 3 places, at least for alliance side. My priest routinely gets the most healing done or in first 3 places.
I have the screen-shots to prove this.

* My gear? Sucks, nothing against a full S1 char, never mind S2/3. Check out Supersolid and Solidfaith on EU/Thunderhorn if you don’t believe me.
* Connection? I play with 400ms all the time.
* Uber PvP player? Give me a break I suck at duels, any possible class can kill my chars.

The conclusion? Other alliance are simply *not trying at all*. Well maybe they try to farm HKs but that is it, no attempt at anything like winning :(

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