Comments on: Fitting the Paladin Class to the Image, another Perspective http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/ Seeking Better Worlds Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:50:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: WyldKard http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-454 WyldKard Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:08:39 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-454 I've written a bunch of stuff <a href="http://mendax.org/?p=538" rel="nofollow">about the Paladin</a> before, and I still feel that the Protection spec offers the closest experience to the "Paladin of lore". Quite frankly, AoE grinding, and ending combat with near full health/mana, illustrates not only a Paladin's fortitude, but also his ability to heal, even if those heals aren't necessarily directly applied through a single-target cast. I’ve written a bunch of stuff about the Paladin before, and I still feel that the Protection spec offers the closest experience to the “Paladin of lore”. Quite frankly, AoE grinding, and ending combat with near full health/mana, illustrates not only a Paladin’s fortitude, but also his ability to heal, even if those heals aren’t necessarily directly applied through a single-target cast.

]]> By: Gwaendar http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-450 Gwaendar Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:58:11 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-450 It's not just the lack of range which hurts pallies, it's pure damage output. The performance gap between even a retribution paladin and a hunter became apparent in the mid-20ies for horde and the late 30ies for alliance (the quest weapon making a big difference). It's probably less stark of a contrast these days, with what 2.3 brings, but where your average level-1 yellow mob takes 6-10 seconds tops to kill on a hunter, the paladin at these levels requires a lucky SoC proc to stay in the 8-12 seconds. Level after level, the gap widens, and these seconds lost add up one by one. I don't use range either when levelling a rogue, but rogue is lightning fast compared to a pallie. It’s not just the lack of range which hurts pallies, it’s pure damage output. The performance gap between even a retribution paladin and a hunter became apparent in the mid-20ies for horde and the late 30ies for alliance (the quest weapon making a big difference). It’s probably less stark of a contrast these days, with what 2.3 brings, but where your average level-1 yellow mob takes 6-10 seconds tops to kill on a hunter, the paladin at these levels requires a lucky SoC proc to stay in the 8-12 seconds. Level after level, the gap widens, and these seconds lost add up one by one.
I don’t use range either when levelling a rogue, but rogue is lightning fast compared to a pallie.

]]> By: Someone http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-449 Someone Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:20:25 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-449 Palies are so hard to level due mainly to lack of ranged abilities (ranged here means you pulling the mob BEFORE the mob actually aggros you from being close to it!), that my previous attempts were also delete mid 20ies. I now have one on the early 20ies that I named after my daughter so I'm not deleting it as yet, but haven't played it for a while. Trying to find some "courage" to go through a few more boring levels before getting those AoE tanking talents... As for Palies they have a harder time being true hybrids than druids: a tank druid can turn into a DPS druid by simply switching gear as most feral talents are good for both situations... They can also backup-heal, especially with HoTs and even have semi-useful CC, so in this regard, Druids have a much easier time being closer to true hybrids than Paladins... Palies are so hard to level due mainly to lack of ranged abilities (ranged here means you pulling the mob BEFORE the mob actually aggros you from being close to it!), that my previous attempts were also delete mid 20ies. I now have one on the early 20ies that I named after my daughter so I’m not deleting it as yet, but haven’t played it for a while. Trying to find some “courage” to go through a few more boring levels before getting those AoE tanking talents…

As for Palies they have a harder time being true hybrids than druids: a tank druid can turn into a DPS druid by simply switching gear as most feral talents are good for both situations… They can also backup-heal, especially with HoTs and even have semi-useful CC, so in this regard, Druids have a much easier time being closer to true hybrids than Paladins…

]]> By: Pike http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-448 Pike Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:55:26 +0000 http://altitis.treehuggers.info/2008/01/05/fitting-the-paladin-class-to-the-image-another-perspective/#comment-448 I watched the WoW machinima, "Tales of the Past 3" the other day. They had this huge gigantic showdown between a paladin and Arthas. Good vs. evil at its core. The paladin using the forces of The Light to vanquish evil. I remember thinking "Ya know, if paladins were more like this in WoW... they would be my new favorite (non-hunter) class and I'd roll a bunch of 'em." As it stands, pallies seem to me as sort of a weird hybrid class having growing pains. Yes I've seen good pally tanks, and I've seen good pally healers, and heck I've seen pretty darn good pally DPS. But you just get the feeling they aren't reaching the potential of the "true paladin of lore". Hopefully this is something Blizz looks into in the future... because if they could really pull of the "feel" of a paladin it would be amazing. I sort of want to roll another one though... way back when I first started playing WoW (okay it wasn't "way" back, it was seven months ago =P) I had a paladin as one of my first alts. I got her to level 17 or so and gave up because the class just seemed awkward and unwieldy to me. But I find myself strangely wanting to give it another shot. I watched the WoW machinima, “Tales of the Past 3″ the other day. They had this huge gigantic showdown between a paladin and Arthas. Good vs. evil at its core. The paladin using the forces of The Light to vanquish evil. I remember thinking “Ya know, if paladins were more like this in WoW… they would be my new favorite (non-hunter) class and I’d roll a bunch of ‘em.”

As it stands, pallies seem to me as sort of a weird hybrid class having growing pains. Yes I’ve seen good pally tanks, and I’ve seen good pally healers, and heck I’ve seen pretty darn good pally DPS. But you just get the feeling they aren’t reaching the potential of the “true paladin of lore”. Hopefully this is something Blizz looks into in the future… because if they could really pull of the “feel” of a paladin it would be amazing.

I sort of want to roll another one though… way back when I first started playing WoW (okay it wasn’t “way” back, it was seven months ago =P) I had a paladin as one of my first alts. I got her to level 17 or so and gave up because the class just seemed awkward and unwieldy to me. But I find myself strangely wanting to give it another shot.

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